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WAZE navigation system could be adapted to the nation's railroad netword where it could become a new-technology Positive Train Control.
Railroad Safety: a Ten Billion Dollar Boondoggle
Carl E. Nash, Ph.D.
Derailments and collisions between trains are spectacular. Their economic and environmental consequences are considerable and they kill and injure people. In response, over the past forty years, pressed by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) and Congress the railroads have been implementing Positive Train Control (PTC) systems to reduce the potential for these crashes.
Actually, U.S. railroads are quite safe for passengers. An average of only 5 people die in train crashes each year: slightly more than are killed in motor vehicle crashes in an hour. The number of serious injuries among train occupants is similarly low. On the other hand, nearly 700 “trespassers” die annually after being struck by trains while on or near railroad tracks and about 100 more are killed in vehicles struck by trains at grade crossings. These casualties are a consequence of two challenges: trains cannot be stopped quickly and it is difficult to keep people away from railroad tracks. PTC will do nothing for those struck by moving trains.
The nation’s railroads and the FRA have spent about $10 billion on a variety of PTC systems and will apparently spend a few billion more to complete them. According to the FRA: “PTC systems are integrated command, control, communications, and information systems designed to prevent train accidents by controlling train movements with safety, security, precision, and efficiency.”
Railroad transportation in the U.S. matured a century ago. Train dispatch, safety, maintenance, and such were mostly developed in the 20th century. More recent technologies are mostly used to provide an electronic substitute or enhancement of what had been done by hand. Modern communications are generally used as a substitute for the telegraph or telephones. It is an important, but hoary industry in desperate need of a 21st Century overhaul.
Road users have the advantage of well-developed, real time, satellite-based navigation systems. There is no such unified system for railroads. Instead, the railroads are wasting their and the government’s money on ten duplicative, but not particularly compatible PTC systems that require very large numbers of expensive, high maintenance, and probably unreliable trackside sensors to monitor the position and speed of train sets. Since railroads regularly use each other’s’ tracks, this duplication is bizarre. Implementation of PTC has been delayed for years, at least in part because of the cost to complete it.
The WAZE/Google navigation system provides not only information on where roads go, which can be used for trip planning, it also monitors traffic to show what the most rapid route is likely to be. It does this by monitoring, through satellite communications, the behavior of vehicles using this navigation system to determine areas of road congestion or other problems.
Adapting this system to railroads would be relatively easy. WAZE/Google could substitute a map of the rail network for the road network and show the appropriate speed limit on all stretches of track as well as switch positions. This would be used to warn engineers if they are operating in a dangerous manner. In the event that an engineer ignores this warning, the receiver in the locomotive could automatically apply the train’s brakes.
As with the highway system the positions and speeds all locomotives using the system, as determined using GPS, along with the positions of all switches in the system and the location of maintenance operations, could be sent through satellite to a central control where it would be monitored to determine the potential collision between trains.
There are roughly 27,000 locomotives, some thousands of additional train sets not pulled by locomotives, and 140,000 miles of track in the United States. The cost of installing equipment to send and receive signals, for navigation, and for computer-based automatic braking would be less than $5,000 per locomotive and per switch for a total less than three hundred million dollars. (The cost of a real-time navigation system, along with automatic braking is less than $1000 per motor vehicle.) Software for adapting the highway navigation system to PTC and establishing a central control to warn of collisions would cost less than $100 million. Thus, an estimate of well under a billion dollars for all of the PTC hardware and software to implement a new, navigation-based PTC system seems reasonable. This is considerably less than the cost of completing the current PTC systems and could be paid by a consortium of railroads. If the will were there, it should not take more than about a year to implement this new system.
A modern PTC could also become a basis for a more modern approach to railroad scheduling and management that could reduce costs and ensure more efficient use of the rail network. It could replace the current, antiquated, inefficient block system for regulating the use of rails. Because of industry competition and anti-trust considerations, it may require Congressional action to force national cooperation in establishing a unified 21st Century PTC system.
The current approach to railroad safety is out of date and makes little sense. It lacks a rational connection with the reality of how most people are killed and injured in connection with railroads and the availability of effective technology. It results in ridiculous spending on what, at least in terms of human losses, is a relatively minor problem.
PTC based on the technologies used for road navigation could substantially reduce human, equipment, and other losses from collisions and derailments. These savings would be sufficient to pay for the 21st century system based on the Google navigation system. It would also be an excellent business opportunity for WAZE/Google. The fact that billions have already been invested in PTC is irrelevant to the question of how the railroads should proceed with PTC. It must abandon the current wasteful development and start with a fresh approach as outlined herein.
Washington, D.C.: September 17, 2018The author was a Senior Executive in the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and since retirement has continued to conduct research and advocacy in transportation safety. He holds a Ph.D. in theoretical physics.
Railroad Safety: a Ten Billion Dollar Boondoggle
Carl E. Nash, Ph.D.
Derailments and collisions between trains are spectacular. Their economic and environmental consequences are considerable and they kill and injure people. In response, over the past forty years, pressed by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) and Congress the railroads have been implementing Positive Train Control (PTC) systems to reduce the potential for these crashes.
Actually, U.S. railroads are quite safe for passengers. An average of only 5 people die in train crashes each year: slightly more than are killed in motor vehicle crashes in…3 votes -
Route quality
Currently in view of waze, the only criteria for chosing best routes us its being aaphelt, sand or .... . But there is no croteeia for evaluating the quality of roads and their asphelts.
I propose to add the 3 to 5 level for roads quality then, let us to select the tick of levels for choosing best rout.3 votes -
Waze Airport Map
Produce Waze Maps for airports denoting whole airport & parking, hotels, even EVchargers etc for Public use.
Compete, bid for Airport complexMaps.
No one else does.
Use HDTV for Visual Map fixed display with U ARE HERE logo.
Map can have audio speakers & speak say 10 languages??
For airports like SFO, LAX in CA alone.
EZ to read, relate, usable, updatable IE airport construction.
Needed.
More $$$$ for Waze.3 votes -
Once car stops very near location, turn off map and STOP giving voice directions. Obviously I've arrived already!
I arrive to my work building's parking lot and then park my car. Waze doesn't get the hint that I've arrived and the map is still on. It's obvious I arrived and waze needs to stop. I can't tell you how many times I've been embarrassed by waze in the office when I'm trying to sneak into my desk and think I've made a clean entry and Waze randomly goes: IN 100 FEET TURN LEFT ON.... Seriously? 5 minutes after I parked!?!? Stfu Waze goddamit!
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Proposer l'arrivée à proximité et de l'autre côté de la rue
Il semble qu'actuellement Waze nous guide jusqu'à l'adresse indiquée, y compris du bon côté de la rue. (Par exemple il va nous guider jusqu'au 15 de la rue même si on aurait pu aller au 16 qui est en face en parcourant 1 km de moins).
Si on ne peut pas faire demi tour dans cette rue, le parcourt suggéré par Waze est parfois allongé inutilement car il veut absolument nous faire arriver du bon côté de la rue. Il faudrait ajouter une option pour que Waze nous guide 'a proximité', avec une distance règlable (ex : 200m) et Waze nous emmènerait là où il y a des chances de pouvoir se garer à proximité du point choisi et là où c'est le plus rapide d'aller.Il semble qu'actuellement Waze nous guide jusqu'à l'adresse indiquée, y compris du bon côté de la rue. (Par exemple il va nous guider jusqu'au 15 de la rue même si on aurait pu aller au 16 qui est en face en parcourant 1 km de moins).
Si on ne peut pas faire demi tour dans cette rue, le parcourt suggéré par Waze est parfois allongé inutilement car il veut absolument nous faire arriver du bon côté de la rue. Il faudrait ajouter une option pour que Waze nous guide 'a proximité', avec une distance règlable (ex : 200m) et Waze…3 votes -
Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren. Im NAVIS sollten auch Verkehrsbeschränkungen in den Ortschaften eingetragen sein, z.B. max. 2.0 breit.
In den Ortschaften sollten Verkehrsbeschränkungen wie max. Gewicht, maximale Höhe, Breite usw. auch im NAVIS hinterlegt sein, damit man nicht falsch geleitet wird. Dies ist z.B. bei Notfällen sehr wichtig, damit die Krankenwagen nicht in zu enge Strassen geleitet werden. Wo kann man solche "Engpässe" melden, damit das NAVIS diese kennt?
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free places in city car parks
hello, it would be nice to add the number of free places in city car parks
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Ability to grade roads
It would be nice to be able to grade the quality of a road. I always avoid taking up certain suggested roads, just because I know their quality is not good and prefer staying in traffic 3 more minutes than wrecking my car.
Thanks
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traffic forcast
Based on the destinations specified by waze users, predict the traffic volume of the main roads and notify users.
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Add Nexus lanes and bridges as route options.
Be able to route over a NEXUS card holder only bridge.
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Toll Transponder Preferences (for Exclusive Exits & Lanes)
In Pennsylvania (and other states, such as Florida) there are exits on toll roads that are only for holders of a certain toll transponder (such as E-ZPass) and have no cash facilities. Unlike all-electronic toll roads, using one of these ramps without a transponder is a "violation". There are also HOT (High Occupancy Toll) and Express lanes that require a transponder but may even allow for special transponders that give free rides to carpools.
Waze used to direct me to one of these ramps, which is closest to my house. However, likely because people without toll tags have been sent onto these ramps (and incurred fines), it now sends me to the next full exit and tells me to backtrack. If I take that ramp, even though it is in Waze, it does not seem to recognize I am on a route. Again, I assume that is because of complaints.
There should be a feature that allows people to opt into routes that use such ramps. Further, because toll tags are not interoperable (i.e. I can't use E-ZPass in Florida, so if I travel, I can't use those exits without a SunPass), maybe there should be a drop down list where people can select which toll tags they have. There is already a navigation app (route/toll calculator) called Tollsmart that does this. Perhaps special bridge passes or carpool-enabled tags (i.e. E-ZPass Flex in the DC area) can also be preferences.
In Pennsylvania (and other states, such as Florida) there are exits on toll roads that are only for holders of a certain toll transponder (such as E-ZPass) and have no cash facilities. Unlike all-electronic toll roads, using one of these ramps without a transponder is a "violation". There are also HOT (High Occupancy Toll) and Express lanes that require a transponder but may even allow for special transponders that give free rides to carpools.
Waze used to direct me to one of these ramps, which is closest to my house. However, likely because people without toll tags have been sent…
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Landscape mode with North Up needs to be east/west sensitive
I insist on North Up and travel and east/west route often so Landscape mode makes sense. But when I travel east, my "car" is way over to the right of the screen, leaving no room for the road ahead. You need to move the "next turn" display or make it be narrow across the top. Going west does not have the same problem because the "car" is again way over to the right. So the "car" and "display" need to move around when traveling east to give a much better display.
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Music Audio Quality
Dear @waze - I believe you have one of the best navigation app in the AppStore. But, there’s one major problem. When connected to Apple CarPlay, the audio quality is horrible when playing music!! Horrible enough that I’m forced to use Apple maps. Please fix this problem.
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Zoom based on time til next turn
If my next turn isnt for half an hour, being zoomed in to the road doesn't give me any information I can't see out the window. If the next turn isnt for a while, zoom all the way out to top down view so you know where you are in your journey. As you get closer to your next turn, goto the regular view so you can see upcoming street names to help you prepare for the turn. Then when you're approaching the intersection, go to a top down zoomed in view (like google maps)
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Waze would be perfect if it had an odometer feature
Is it possible to include an odometer feature on Waze?
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Use inconsistencies in data/behavior to prompt a response about conditions
Use data already being collected/ streamed (e.g. avg. speed you are going) and trended to prompt someone when that changes (e.g. from 65 mph for a while to now 5 mph)-- someone gets a prompt, is there a slowdown? is there police activity, other (e.g. went off route)... that way people are responding to common things that could be occurring based on compiled info thus far, and it's easier/safer for the driver to engage
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Please indicate the direction you are going on the Waze app.
Please indicate which direction you are headed. This will be helpful to those who do not have a sense of direction. Example: north, northeast, northwest, west, east, south, southwest, southeast.
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Opción para vías permitidas a PRINCIPIANTES
En Buenos Aires, Argentina al sacar el registro de conducción por primera vez, durante los primeros 6 meses la ley prohíbe la circulación en vías donde la velocidad máxima supere los 60 km/h y, en la Ciudad de Buenos Aires, en el ámbito de micro y macro centro. Sería una opción muy interesante que se pueda marcar esto a la hora de elegir las rutas.
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GPS Marker Lag?
I notice some lag from my actual position compared with the GPS marker in the app. Wondering if this is something that is being addressed? iPhone maps doest have as much lag.
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Heads up when new route has toll
When traffic is heavy on toll-free roads, waze redirected me to a new route which had toll (to save me 10 min in total).
My suggestion:
if the new route has toll as compared to the toll-free route: Give me a notification.
Better yet: show me how much toll i have to pay to save me x minutes.
I can then accept the new route WITH toll, or stay on the old route WITHOUT toll.3 votes
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