Make Tunnels navigable
anonymous
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Great news! The Waze Beacons Program is in the works and constantly expanding.
The Waze Beacons Program is the first scalable, affordable solution in the world to power navigation in tunnels. Currently available in select tunnels throughout Pittsburgh, Haifa, Israel, Paris and Rio de Janeiro – seamless navigation is available to Wazers underground simply by turning on Bluetooth functionality.
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olepinto
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Much information about how this could be done in https://waze.uservoice.com/forums/59223-waze-suggestion-box/suggestions/2360157-dead-reckoning-when-neither-data-nor-gps-availabl
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olepinto
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I guess the "WIP" note is related to Falcon. I guess Falcon makes use (at least) of the cellphone acceleration information. This could be used to match position with curves on the road, at least when those curves are steep, and/or separated.
The biggest problem happens when (somehow) you get spurious GPS samples (this happens in a major tunnel in Madrid, ie. M-30) which takes you OUT of the tunnel. This shouldn't be possible unless you have an exit, and the rest of input (acceleration, again) matches somehow. This breaks any Falcon improvement (once you are taken out the tunnel, road geometry can't obviously be matched). -
Anonymous
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Please start first with navigation based on speed entering tunnel (as mentioned very often in the past). A simple calculation. Later on you can improve every detail you want.
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Miguel Villarta
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Very interesting to have those beacons butI I don't foresee in the near time to get them in Spain. In the meantime a simple speed Base could be implemented.
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Marco
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Cannot wait for beacons worldwide please. Add tunnel navigation as gmap at least, with simple speed based prediction
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Anonymous
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Note that "Here we go" and "Google" have the navigation in tunnels available for a very long time! And it's very useful!
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Anonymous
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En effet cala manque. Ca fonctionne très bien avec Here we go et Google maps. Nous avons de nombreux tunnels à Paris, avec des embranchements à l'intérieur et c'est absolument indispensable.
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Stevek
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Google maps has it but it is not not available on Waze
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Andrew Jennings
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I got stuck in Paris and lost and hour, due to Waze losing connection in tunnel. Would have been really handy to have this along with lane guidance.
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Anonymous
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Yes why can't they just have the position move through the tunnel at the same speed as was detected before the car entered the "tunnel" segment. Will be close enough and will result in getting the correct exit instructions. If you get held up in the tunnel then the position would stop when the position reaches a non-tunnel segment and GPS is not available. Seems easy to implement to me, no beacons, no attempting to simulate an inertial navigation system....
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Christer Humble
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There is a strange solution Waze has locked on, Beacons, which is only available in a few tunnels in the world.
Give Waze support for countdown navigation, for example, using last known speed alternatives if Waze is connected to an Android Auto car, use information from the car for navigation in a tunnel. Beacons will never be installed World Wide. -
Adrià
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TomTom app does this and it is incredibly accurate. Would help a lot.
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Thomas
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Actually, i am not shure if this also applies to Waze, but some routes google maps, i dont know where to exit, as the map shows two lanes going to one. Inside the tunell it does not update the position. At least when entering a tunell you should be shown the exit you need to take. It is actually quite dangerous, as you try to get the text route while driving inside the tunell.
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azr66
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External sensors are crap. Pls. use the gyro. The technology is old as instrument flying. In former times the gyro costs millions, now we have then for "free" and we are talking about 25 sensors per km... Bad business! Nobody will be so stupid to install THAT (I hope so at least...)
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Anonymous
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Kalmann filters are already the core of navigation and positiong apps and systems :)
Realistically the way to do this is inertial guidance when gps is lost but as time since gps loss increases it will obviously become less accurate.
Clamping to planned route at last known speed is realistically all that might be possible without other external data sources.
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Bart Venneker
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Under review since 2011?
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Miguel Villarta
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My idea of making tunnels navigable is not by using external sensors located into the tunnel which will be impossible to be broad applied and expensive. Instead the idea is to use sensors of mobile phone with simple calculation by interpolation of actual speed at the entrance focr example. Any other idea is welcome.I saw this function working on Sygic and it's fine
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Jeff Underwood
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You could use accelerometers and gyroscopes to suppliment GPS data. Use accelerometers and gyroscopes to increase accuracy of location with with virtually no power increase. It would also allow navigation through tunnels and such when GPS location is lost. It would also prevent erroneous movement while stopped at a traffic light. There are companies testing this type of technology. One that I have been following but have no financial interest in is navisens.com There are videos from navisens at https://www.youtube.com/user/navisens
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Alvaro Tejada
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Please close this suggestion. Waze have the solution.
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Anonymous
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Please put in the bluetooth-GPS transmitters into the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel, so that WAZE will work within that International Tunnel. Also warn when approaching or mapping this tunnel that you must have passports, and/or Enhanced Driver License to get in and out!